Neck Insertion Revisited: The Throat–Mandible Point

[Soalian]

This is my problem for profile, the mandible is too far back into my neck like this guy, the result I have short distance from chin to neck, so submental skin cannot be stretched tight between chin and neck because it's not stretched enough, therefore submental skin is somehow sagging as a result

 

[JCaesar]

Still no possible way to better it?

 

[TheVictor]

Is it fixable?

It doesn't seem like something fixable tbh.

Mine is fixed instantly through mewing and good posture

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

making threads like this is like dangling a piece of meat in front of a starving african ngilet
"bro, this feature is good and here's why. how to fix? you can't lmao stay subhuman forever"

 

[Lookologist003]

I think this is real and a part of looks theory not talked about nearly enough. I wonder how this affects the sternoclavo mastoids (does it encourage the mastoid process to grow bigger) and brain-stem. The foremen can't be too rearward because where would the occipital lobe rest? This must have interactions with the brain-stem and cerebellum. I'm now wondering if there are some obscure scientific papers about those interactions.

My guess would be that the higher the cephalic index, the less reward the foremen can be positioned because the cranial vault is sort of an ovoid and conversely the lower the cephalic index, the more reward it can be because the rearward parts of the brain would be less crowded.

You know, come to think about it, a very forward foremen magnum is of the worst anatomical features you could have, because the pivot point for the head is shared with that opening, meaning that blows to that part of the head would cause more damage because the radius would be bigger. Ideal foremen magnum positioning would be inversely proportional to cephalic index and probably more rearward than forward. Maybe like 45-60 degrees from the geometric center of the cranium. I think with more forward foremen magnum positioning, the muscles of the back of the neck would be stronger, and with more rearward the sternoclavo mastoids would be stronger and make for a sexier and thicker neck.

 

[JCaesar]

@thecel did u ever find any more info on this in these years?

 

[Lookologist003]

I think I may have found something interesting about this.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/374859945_Anatomical_Analysis_of_Foramen_Magnum_A_3D_Slicer_CT_Study

This phenomenon seems to be related to a celphaometic measurement in studies called the FMC: that is the angle between the most posterior point of the foremen magnum and something called the clivus, a depression on the spheniod bone, the "backbone" of the face.

Clivus (anatomy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you've made the notion that women tend to have more forward growth, then a statement made in this study and others like it analyzing the foramen magnum or neck insertion will intrigue you.

The Findings are consistent with our results. Sun et al. (19)
study, the average FMC value was reported as 153.46±9.1°
in females and 149.93±8.6° in males. A significant
difference was reported in both genders (p<0.001). It was
reported to be significant according to the age variable. In
our study, the FMC value was high in females. However,
no difference was found between age and gender

I think this is proof that women's necks are more backward grown on average, which could help to explain why it is that women look more forward grown on average. If this is the case, then perhaps there is an ideal FMC for aesthetics. I'm in firm belief now that what is called forward growth is of two parts: projection of jaws and separation from neck. These are foundational for the most attractive human faces.

@thecel could you take a look at this?